Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

mrm3ntalist wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:29 pm

Steve wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:14 pm

mrm3ntalist wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:46 pm The "nerfs" did nothing to this PRC. It is still going to solo everything. With the self-concealment changes you now have an additional build alternative compared to the CON build.

And...you can look at my theorycrafting build that I posted earlier, and in that build I choose to max INT for mad Skills...and still, that Shifter PrC slays.

Yes, any shifter build will slay. Powerbuild it and it will slay literally everything on the server with just shop items

Mirage wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:58 pm



What build are you talking about here?

mrm3ntalist wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:46 pmWith the self-concealment changes you now have an additional build alternative compared to the CON build.

YYA wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:57 pm

mrm3ntalist wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:46 pmWith the self-concealment changes you now have an additional build alternative compared to the CON build.

Sure, you can use Thief Acrobat PRC to acquire Improved Evasion, which opens up the Self-Concealment line of feats. Nevertheless, Self-Concealment still requires 27 Dexterity, and 30 skill point investment in both Hide and Tumble, which in turn means that the first feat can be taken at character level of 27. You get Epic feats at level 27 and 29, so a total of 20% Self-Concealment, therefore, how many Shifter levels are you going to ax to get more Self-Concealment or are you happy with just 20%?

Edit: Oh, saw the latest change thread. No Improved Evasion Needed.

Kalgain wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:56 am For everyone who wants to use "shapechange"

there are two different types of creatures, some with weapons, some with creature weapons(unarmed).

The properties of the equipped weapon transfer to the shifted creature if it holds a melee weapon. If it does not hold a weapon it does not get bonuses from neither weapon nor gloves.

Shield enchantment AC transfers fully in "shapechange" and only half in wildshape

Steve wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:59 am I can't see if this was answered, but: will Epic Damage Reduction feat(s) stack with innate DR from the Shifter forms?

matelener wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:31 pm

joleda wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:21 pm I have a few questions regarding what works for the Shifter in form:

1. Will feats work? Evasion? Uncanny Dodge? Armor Skin? Epic Prowess?
2. Will auras work? Blackguard? War Priest? Paladin? Orc War Drummer? Bard?
3. Will Fast Healing work?
4. Will Epic Damage Reduction work?
5. What is the maximum AC? Using the OP and the Druid Wildshape page, I see 10 + 4 (armor enchantment) + 4 (deflection) + 4 (natural) + 10 (Shifter level 20 bonus shield AC) + DEX (Shifter base form dexterity) + DEX (Shifter level 20 extra dexterity) + NAC (natural AC Shifter form). For the Owlbear, the AC is 10 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 10 + 1 + 5 + 8 = 46. Is this correct? This is without spell buffs (from others) or combat expertise.

1. yes
2. yes
3. yes
4. yes (but won't stack with innate DR of some shapes)
5. you can get couple of points more from feats and DEX Item which will stack with the shape

YYA wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:17 am So, I guess it is a yes with Owlbear's DR, and no with everything else. Different types do not stack.

Steve wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:06 am To clarify for Everyone, Epic Damage Reduction will not stack with any DR, typed or Untyped, with the Shifter PrC. Only then useful with: Gelatinous Cube, Manticore, Wyvern.

However, considering that EDR is 3/- per Feat, and there being 3 feats total for up to 9/- DR, if you take 2/3 of these feats, you'll get equal to the maximum Shifter DR possible (that being (5 + SHIFTER_LVL/4)/- DR = 25/4 = 6 DR). Now, people like to go for Epic Fast Healing regen, but that is always a "per round" tick, where as DR is a "per hit" tick...and a PC will take many more hits per round than once per round. Essentially, DR is better (and of course, could you get BOTH, then hallelujah!).

So what is truly pertinent here is, if you plan on a low-level Shifter, you'd greatly benefit from some Epic Damage Reduction (as does any toon, really).

Steve wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:36 am My build has evasion, and I’m choosing Expose Weakness over Epic Fast Healing.