Duelists and Shield AC
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Duelists and Shield AC
I know those shield rapiers in Roaringshore were made specifically because duelist is so underwhelming on a server with int bonus items that max at +4 and duelist can't use shields and still get the bonus, but would it be possible instead to allow duelists to get their Intelligence AC bonus when using light shields (1 AC variety of shield) only, or is it completely hard-coded? If it's possible it would not only be a less "clunky" solution but would make light shields valuable for people other than spellcasters seeking the elusive -5% asf ones.
If it IS hard coded and you can't give duelists their Int ac bonus with a light shield equipped, then you could work around it by having a script that gives any character a dodge bonus to AC = their INT bonus, to a max of their duelist lvl, as long as a light shield is equipped (again, not heavy or tower, light only. IE a buckler).
Also like to point out that those rapiers don't help halfling duelists much. They'd need to take monkey grip feat to use them finessed and get a -2 attack penalty on them for doing so. Those rapiers really, in terms of fairness to small races, should be daggers if neither of the two options above are feasible. Call it a "Main Gauche", maybe? If you made them short swords then medium sized duelists could wield it in the off hand and small races could not without penalty, so that would also be not cool, fairness wise.
If it IS hard coded and you can't give duelists their Int ac bonus with a light shield equipped, then you could work around it by having a script that gives any character a dodge bonus to AC = their INT bonus, to a max of their duelist lvl, as long as a light shield is equipped (again, not heavy or tower, light only. IE a buckler).
Also like to point out that those rapiers don't help halfling duelists much. They'd need to take monkey grip feat to use them finessed and get a -2 attack penalty on them for doing so. Those rapiers really, in terms of fairness to small races, should be daggers if neither of the two options above are feasible. Call it a "Main Gauche", maybe? If you made them short swords then medium sized duelists could wield it in the off hand and small races could not without penalty, so that would also be not cool, fairness wise.
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Re: Duelists and Shield AC
I encourage you to check the upcoming general combat changes, as well as the bits specific to the Duelist as posted by Rhifox here: viewtopic.php?p=938443#p938443
You will be looking at changes to tumble and parry as well as fighting defensively and total defense along with the duelist changes.
You will be looking at changes to tumble and parry as well as fighting defensively and total defense along with the duelist changes.
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Re: Duelists and Shield AC
I think those are on the developer forums, unfortunately.
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Re: Duelists and Shield AC
That's not accessible to ppl. Gotta wait until rhi posts it on "Coming Soon"BloodRiot wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 1:10 pm I encourage you to check the upcoming general combat changes, as well as the bits specific to the Duelist as posted by Rhifox here: viewtopic.php?p=938443#p938443
You will be looking at changes to tumble and parry as well as fighting defensively and total defense along with the duelist changes.
But yeah, sounds like there'll be a lot of melee combat changes soon, so hold on a bit!

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Re: Duelists and Shield AC
These are in development.BloodRiot wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 1:10 pm I encourage you to check the upcoming general combat changes, as well as the bits specific to the Duelist as posted by Rhifox here: viewtopic.php?p=938443#p938443
You will be looking at changes to tumble and parry as well as fighting defensively and total defense along with the duelist changes.
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Re: Duelists and Shield AC
As others pointed out I'm not authorized to read that forum, but good to know something is being worked on.BloodRiot wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 1:10 pm I encourage you to check the upcoming general combat changes, as well as the bits specific to the Duelist as posted by Rhifox here: viewtopic.php?p=938443#p938443
You will be looking at changes to tumble and parry as well as fighting defensively and total defense along with the duelist changes.
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Re: Duelists and Shield AC
Lets all agree that you shouldn't post within 5 minutes of waking up while still having not sipped your coffee.
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Re: Duelists and Shield AC
Duelist AC:
17 + 2 w/ DEX buff + 4 Armor AC + 4 Natural + 4 Dodge + 5 Deflection (w/ 30 Parry) + 10 (INT Defense) = 46 (+ 3 CE + 2 IMA + 4 Shield spell AC + 2 UMD +1 One Weapon feat = 58 AC.
Can even go higher with ICE and more spells!
17 + 2 w/ DEX buff + 4 Armor AC + 4 Natural + 4 Dodge + 5 Deflection (w/ 30 Parry) + 10 (INT Defense) = 46 (+ 3 CE + 2 IMA + 4 Shield spell AC + 2 UMD +1 One Weapon feat = 58 AC.
Can even go higher with ICE and more spells!
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Re: Duelists and Shield AC
Why not, i've been meaning to make duelist with
-Light Shield
-Light Armor
-gets int benefits
for a long long time already!

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Re: Duelists and Shield AC
I thought duelists couldn't use light armor or shields? Or is that changing? 
